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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Is there anything that could and should be in the bill that would offer further clarity in that respect? I also want to get Martin’s view on that. Obviously, things such as equality impact assessments should not be in legislation, but is there a lack of clarity in the bill on the specific issue of staff transfer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Yes—that is fair.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

I wonder whether the cabinet secretary sees any value in the purpose behind Pam Duncan-Glancy’s amendment 309, which seeks to set out in statute some kind of floor but with a recognition that, in policy terms, we would be aiming for something more regular. There might be quite a long duration between inspections, but there would still be a floor that it would be a breach of statute to go beyond, even with the recognition that something a bit more regular would be desirable. Would such an approach give flexibility while still providing some underlying reassurance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Will the cabinet secretary give way?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

I am grateful, cabinet secretary.

At this point, I should put on the record that I have previously called for every member of the SQA board to go. However, given that the recent changes to the board, particularly the appointment of Shirley Rogers as chair, have had a dramatic and positive impact on board culture, I think that it would be counterproductive to throw away that progress by agreeing to amendment 351. My worry is that that would send the wrong signal, given that the change of culture at the top that many of us have called for has begun to happen. Indeed, I would be disappointed if the Government waited until we had the new body before making those cultural changes via new board appointments.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Thank you. Unless anyone has anything else to add on that, I will ask just one more question, because I am conscious of the amount of time that I have already taken up.

Damien, you have touched on the issue of TUPE costs for staff. Given that what we are talking about will largely be a transfer from SDS to the SFC, do you feel that you have had clarity from ministers—I want to find out whether Martin Boyle feels the same way—on the operational arrangements for the transfer of staff and the expectations regarding costs, the TUPE element, terms and conditions and so on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Martin, what is your response to Audit Scotland’s reflections and the progress that has been made since then?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Before he does, I note that that is all very welcome, because the committee has, in the past, been critical of the Scottish Government’s lack of clear leadership and direction on the skills agenda but, as I said, that was only part of Audit Scotland’s criticism. The other part was about the lack of an effectively functioning relationship between SDS and the SFC, with poor communication, a lack of consensus and so on. Reaching consensus is obviously easier when both bodies receive the same ministerial direction. However, that aside—because it sounds as though the announcement in the next few weeks will provide a clear ministerial direction—have you addressed the issues that Audit Scotland raised about what was a dysfunctional relationship between the two bodies?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

I would like to go back to the convener’s initial line of questioning on the premise for the bill and the reform, which Damien Yeates and the SDS board, in essence, reject. However, in 2022, Audit Scotland published a scathing report on the lack of skills alignment. The report partly criticised the lack of leadership from the Scottish Government, but the stand-out criticism was of the inability of SDS and the SFC to work together. The report’s third conclusion was clear:

“Current arrangements are unlikely to achieve the ambitions for skills alignment at the pace required”.

Could you reflect on that Audit Scotland report? We are three years on from the report, so have the issues relating to communication and lack of consensus between SDS and the SFC been addressed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Ross Greer

Thanks very much, both. That is really useful.

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